I’m shocked by the intellectual insight into this subject I found in of all things, a hip-hop forum, but nevertheless it’s insightful. Via Rapmusic.com, some excerpts from a thread about the objectification of women in society:
The original post:
Are men objectifying women or are women objectifying themselves?
Playboy magazine is run by Heffner’s wife and daughter. Most porn companies are owned and/or ran by women. Tyra Banks is the executive producer of America’s Next Top Model. An overwhelming majority of fashion designers who choose these skinny, malnourished girls to model their clothes are female. Women line up by the thousands eager to show off their secrets and get paid for it. Girls are way more critical of another female’s physical appearance than men are. They judge everything from the hair down to the toenail polish… and honeydip is automatically dismissed if her shoes don’t match her purse.
Ongoing responses:
I can’t say who is doing the most damage because the relationship is dialectical.
Men create the physical expectations for women, but women shape them by constantly reproducing them in many of the ways you’ve already mentioned.
It takes two.
Now I’m not diverting attention away from the original question, so yes I believe women objectify themselves. But I understand why. My mother was not taught how to work. She wasn’t told to go to college and the value of an education wasn’t stressed to her. When she was in high school her only ambition was to be a mother – because that is what she was taught to do. By the age of 16 she did that. It’s an understatement to say that most women or girls were/are ill prepared for todays status quo.
I say that to say this: a lot of people, when in positions where they have few options, use whatever is at their disposal to survive. And the easiest among those when you’re a woman is your sexuality.
The ones who blame patriarchy for everything will tell you that it all started with men and that the reason women squabble amongst each other and judge one another harshly is because of their competition for men. I think there should come a time when people should start to take responsibility for their own actions. Men have to compete with one another to get women and most of us usually respect a code of not hatin’ a brother who is successful at gettin’ his… MOST of us, mind you… but with women, the hating is far worse.
That is part of the reason ( but probably not even close to the entire reason) why women hate on other women, because they have a more intimate sense of what the criteria is supposed to be, there are things men can get away with among other men that women cannot get away with among other women, from the standpoint of superficial judgement. Because some women try so hard to make themselves look presentable on a daily basis.. sometimes even in spite of themselves.. when they see another woman who is making less of an effort, the natural thing to do is to critique
self esteem and competition. the girl that you may think is just beneath you, looks wise, is the same girl that can walk away with the guy you want.
for example, when i was with my ex, i had a problem with him being cool with his ex. under normal circumstances i know im bad. but while everything was going on i felt he was attracted to her, therefore her being more desirous than me, or me being inadequate. omg and she was white so my world was rocked (you guys already know i had some issues with that shit lol). so it ate away at me for a time, and i wanted to pin point what it was about her that just made her so special. and i couldn’t. which then made me more mad because i couldn’t understand why he liked her more.
now in hindsight, maybe he didn’t like her more. maybe they really were just friends. i’ll never know the truth. but i made my brain play out every possible negative scenario as to why or how she could have been better than me.
females have a lot of untapped power. a lot of women don’t feel beautiful unless a man tells them they are. a lot of women don’t feel like they’re worth anything unless they have boyfriends. that’s why i think some women objectify themselves because that’s one of the ways they have or can manipulate their power (sex appeal).
True. The ironic part in the first sentence is that if a woman does feel beautiful without having to have a man tell her so then it sometimes gets considered being concieted.. Funny how things get twisted. You can feel sexy when, where, and how he says…lol Riiiight.
men arent so one tracked to pick women just because of looks so its sometimes pointless to think about it in that way when wondering why he wasnt into you. having said that, many men will overlook bad character traits if she is a dime.
I met a beautiful looking girl once, we went on a date but her attitude put me right off.
Exactly… and sometimes, people’s personalities clash and they just aren’t compatible… it’s hardly ever just about looks… if I had a woman who was decent-looking and a wonderful person who was extremely good to me, I’m not gonna leave her for some beautiful chickenhead… some guys might do that, but they might not be completely in tuned with themselves to know what they need vs what they want, so they chase every superficiality…. there are a lot of women who do the same… those people don’t know themselves… I think all of those things should be judged and evaluated before you decide to commit to someone, but we tend to lose our heads in love and make careless decisions… which is I always believe that it takes two to make or break a relationship.
In the animal kingdom peacocks have pretty feathers. deers have huge antlers. lions have roars.
Among us, women have their looks. That is what we use. If men were attracted to intelligence alone a lot of women would walk around with books in their hand and would sit in libraries for hours at a time. But women know that if you want to attract a male, it’s going to take more than that, and you’re going to have to have some attractive assets. So you spend hours on top of hours plucking eyebrows, and finding the right bra, and shaving, and applying eye shadow just to gain the attention on a male, which will hopefully lead to him being attracted.
Again, many women base their worth off of how much male attention they get. if they work hard to get that attention, only to have it showered on a female that is of a lower caliber (looks wise) is just another blow to their self esteem. obviously women feel as if looks are that important to males.
for example, my ex used to (and still has) Vida Guerra as his AIM icon – and it just so happened to be an ass shot lol – i do not have a big booty, so for a minute, that made me self conscious…he likes ass and i don’t have one. LoL i mean i got over it, but trivial things like that can really bother a woman and make her feel less secure.
women have much more power than they realize…and the women that recognize the power simply don’t know how to use it.
when women do that, they got one specific type of dude in they mind.. they might want a good man, but deep down they want a thug n shit.. so when a good man comes around “oh im not interested..”
sometimes when women look for good men, they are right under they nose. some women might have a good male friend thats real compatible with the girl, so when that dude asks her on a date, she sez “noo i dont think so.. i dont want to break this great friendship we got!” then they go out and find some dude so completely opposite from them and think its love when theres a large chance that it may end up in breakin up.
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